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NObama care, thank you

POSTED AT 09:07 PM ON Aug. 30, 2009 | PRINT | Email | SHARE | COMMENTS (37)

It’s been awhile since Sean Hannity has gotten this heated over any issue.

And it has certainly been a while since American masses have gotten this heated over a domestic issue.

But with Barack Obama’s socialist tactics surfacing, it is about time.

With Obama in office for a little more than seven months, he’s full-speed ahead with “ObamaCare,” reforming our health care system as quickly as he can.

Sure, you must commend his ambitious plans, but the fast and the furious is no game to play when you are dealing with American health, not to mention one-sixth of the hurting American economy.

Few wouldn’t argue that health care needs to be reformed in some way.
In fact, a recent CBS News/New York Times poll revealed that “85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt.”

Many, however, are arguing about the way Obama intends to reform our system – with a public option.

With a government-run health plan, insurance companies will have to compete with government rates, which Obama feels will lower costs all around.

But with lowered costs come lesser benefits, and they stand to threaten the private insurance industry that we have built our health system on today. 

If you’ve watched the debate on this issue unravel, you’ve seen opponents to this plan bring to light such issues as the waiting periods that citizens in other developed nations face with nationalized health care.

I’m sure you’ve heard at least one Canadian horror story involving crossing the border to receive a much-needed operation that the government deemed unworthy of national funds.

While one could argue that lesser benefits would be a fine exchange for the coverage of all 46 million Americans who are currently uninsured, the facts regarding that number are widely unknown.  For instance, while this figure is cited quite often for the cause of reforming health care, very rarely is it discussed who actually makes up this population of uninsured Americans.

Various sources can help explain why 46 million Americans are without insurance – and it isn’t what you think.

Though the statistics vary slightly, a quarter of the total uninsured are people who are eligible for governmental assistance programs such as Medicare and Medicaid but simply aren’t enrolled.

National Public Radio estimates that “almost one in five of the uninsured are not citizens of the United States,” which is a factor that needs to be considered when the 46 million figure is used.

Furthermore, many people opt out of the insurance given to them by their employer, instead preferring the extra money in their pocket.

Many uninsured are young and healthy and think medical insurance is unnecessary.

Even with this information notwithstanding, the money factor has to play a role somewhere. Regardless of whether or not you feel it is crucial to help the uninsured, what people should agree on is that this program is too costly for us right now.
We currently stand $11.4 trillion in debt – a staggering number – and to add a $60 billion price tag per year, the estimated cost of supplying all Americans with the same level of insurance available to Congress members simply isn’t reasonable.

Before any rash decisions are made, the American people need to be heard, and the facts, not to mention our finances, need to be straightened out. As we try “to keep insurance companies honest,” Mr. President, can we try to make our government smarter?

For someone who took almost six months to find the perfect puppy for his children, I would suggest he also takes some time to find the perfect solution for something as important as our health care system.

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Posted by gunnerboy at 1:51 PM on Oct 15, 2009 | Report this comment

The government cannot do anything without botching it. This is a bad idea. Besides, we are broke. Case closed.

Posted by CJ at 11:56 AM on Sep 14, 2009 | Report this comment

"No, not in the U.S., but other socialist countries. Guess what happened?! They failed" Really? Seems to me that Canada has socialized medicine. So does: Great Brittain, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Japan. And a lot of others who are still up and around. We're the only industrialized power without it.

Posted by AlwaysRight at 9:35 PM on Sep 11, 2009 | Report this comment

"Bring on the debate"... you're right. We are "afraid" of Obama's plan. We're afraid of the fact that his health plan HAS been used before. No, not in the U.S., but other socialist countries. Guess what happened?! They failed! I can't believe you think people are pissed about his health plan because they don't understand it. The only people who don't understand general economics are democrats. You think that some guy can come around and wave a magic wand and everything will be okay again. Government will never fix a problem; government IS the problem.

Posted by Choice at 9:32 AM on Sep 08, 2009 | Report this comment

America is full of choices. You choose not to work you choose not to eat. You choose not to get insurance you choose to not to receive health care. Are we our brothers keepers? Choose not to support our fellow man. They may choose to kill an unborn baby.

Posted by nyp at 7:2 AM on Sep 04, 2009 | Report this comment

By the way, the efforts of the writer to minimize the size of the health insurance crisis are appaling. She writes "many people opt out of the insurance given to them by their employer, instead preferring the extra money in their pocket. Many uninsured are young and healthy and think medical insurance is unnecessary." There is a name for these kinds of people: free riders. When they have car accidents or take ill and arrive in our emergency rooms, the taxpayers end up paying for their medical care, since we do not like the idea of people dying untreated on hospital gurneys. Their "opt out" is not only bad for them, it is bad for the rest of us. The solution is to get everyone under the insurance umbrella - just as we require anyone who wishes to drive to have insurance. Is that such a terrible idea?

Posted by nyp at 6:53 AM on Sep 04, 2009 | Report this comment

You know, my Canadian friends read articles like this and laugh at us. Their health care system is so pupular that any politician who would dare propose changing to an American-style system would face the guaranteed end of his career in electoral politics. They cover every single Canadian citizen. Unlike here, no one faces bankruptcy from madical bills. And they cover everyone for about half the per capita cost.

Posted by Bob at 11:58 PM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

I pay taxes to support endless war in foreign lands, or fraudulent Wall Street schemes, not healthcare for Americans.

Posted by Tom at 11:44 PM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

I don't accept that the government can necessarily make things worse by incompetence than the private insurers are already doing with greed.

Posted by Bring on the debate... at 3:57 PM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

For someone who wants to have a debate, when you try to legitimize your thoughts by admiring Sean Hannity and throwing out words like socialism, you have already foresaken any chance of debate. My first thought when reading this piece was, "I'm glad it is in the opinion section." You have every right to your opinion as I do mine. Your niave thinking is unfortunate, however. Instead of trying to improve this country and services for citizens, whether public or private, this fearful rhetoric has removed intelligence from your argument. If you turned in a paper with the same argument as is in your opinion piece, it would be one big fail...not because of your opinion, mind you, but because of its immaturity. As you mentioned, we need to have a discussion about the health care issues facing this country, and guess what, we have! Legislation has been proposed for years and years; discussions of reform have been discussed for decades; thorough independent analysis has been conducted depicting failures in access to healthcare. Because something is FINALLY being done about it, people are afraid: they are afraid of change; they prefer the status quo; they don't like things they don't understand or want to understand. An argument touching on any of those things would have been 100x better than the one you presented. Your opinions have merit and are issues that are facing this nation, but by falling into the trap of inarticulate arguments, you are preventing a true debate on the issues. This line of thinking has been exactly what has been keeping healthcare reform at bay for decades. Bring on the debate, but, Stephanie, can we be adults about it? It is far too important not to.

Posted by Brit Brat at 12:4 PM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

Great line at the end, Stephanie Kane: "For someone who took SIX MONTHS to FIND the PERFECT PUPPY for his children. I would suggest he also takes some time to find the perfect solution for something as important as our HEALTH-CARE system. President Obama and his congress will have a water-downed Health Care Bill that will do nothing. They will declare victory - JMO Ain't that America, Brit Brat

Posted by OldenGoldenDecoy at 8:36 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

I appreciate the take that the author has put forth here in this opinion piece. But it is quite partisan on it's face and not forward looking at all. Du'OH! Can the author or anyone else here tell all of us what the combined CEO's and fat cats and various board of directors salaries and advertising and marketing budgets are of the top 10 publicly-traded health insurance corporations? Then to add to that, what's the stock market investors cut of the action? Making money off misery. And here is an eye-opening stat very few know about: Profits of the 10 largest publicly traded insurers increased 428 percent from 2000 to 2007, from $2.4 billion to $12.9 billion. If you work, or your parents work, have the wages or salary gone up 428 percent? No way. And if you are lucky enough to currently have health insurance those costs have also skyrocketed, at a rate of 6 percent per year since 2000. Also you must add to that the rise in co-pays and the higher deductibles. Folks are being raked over the coals for affordable health care by the publicly-traded health insurance corporations. My wife and I have been in a not-for-profit member/subscriber system our entire married life and we pay but two-thirds that of those and pay one-tenth the co-pay and no deductibles or caps. It may not be clear now but the future holds that if the tide on health insurance costs and health care provider costs are not reined in starting immediately the costs to the country will more than double with nominal inflation from the present 10% of our Gross Domestic Product ($1.5 Trillion) to 20% ($3 Trillion) of our GDP in 2045 to 30% ($4.3 Trillion) in 2060. That's when most current young adults will be in their 70s and 80s and their children will be in their mid-40s. That course is unsustainable. You that are in your early 20s now by 2045 will be bearing the weight of that load if things don't change now. And your children will be bearing your load in 2060. I'll be long gone by then. Thanx for the forum.

Posted by katiestevens at 6:59 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

I was on Medicaid while I was unemployed. It DOES not cover everything. I suffer from cystic acne. Medicaid told me treatment was cosmetic. So I ended up going to my dermatologist and paying out of pocket. HOWEVER, the Medicaid doctor assumed I was "sexually active" and said Medicaid would cover a Hepatitus B vaccine if I wanted it. I tole him I practiced abstinence as a choice right now. He shook my hand and hustled me out of his office. How would the president like his wife and daughter to have cystic acne? I got a job. No benefits yet but I don't want to pay for a public option that won't cover my needs. AND I don't want to be MANDATED to do what they feel is good for me. I'll choose when to join. If this is a sample of socialized medicine I'll opt out.

Posted by brent ferrantelli at 6:55 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

Health care is a national defense/homeland security issue. If we trust the federal government to provide those vital services, why wouldn't we trust them to provide national health care? The fact that the military doesn't have private competition doesn't seem to bother anyone. I'm on active duty, and have always received top notch health care for me and my family from the federal government. The highest tax bracket under Reagan was around %50. . . let's bring that back. Time for change.

Posted by Concerned Iowan at 5:57 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

If the Federal Government run "public option" that is being considered is to be ran as a "not-for-profit", what is their incentive for running it efficiently? Also, I want to keep the insurance that I currently have. I will not be able to, because my employer provided insurance, changes every year, which will force me into the public option when my current insurance "changes". Saying "if I like the insurance I have, I can keep it" is a BIG LIE! NO PUBLIC OPTION!

Posted by Freeman54 at 5:32 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

You liberals and Democrats need to pull your heads out of your asses and wake up, soon. Denial of reality seems to be a common trait amongst your kind. Read the dawm bill. You talk from ignorance. YOUR president, not mine, is bringing Communism to this country. Don't think this is going to be allowed.

Posted by hsr0601 at 4:48 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

If the findings of CBO over inaction had been released earlier, Ted Kennedy could've seen his lifetime wish come true. Inaction cost, $9trillion over the next decade, can not be compared to the balance between estimate and outcome in a worst case of scenario, and this balance could be adjusted each year. ((Some of CBO analysis : While the costs of the financial bailouts and economic stimulus bills are staggering, they are only a fraction of the coming costs from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that each year Medicaid will expand by 7 percent, Medicare by 6 percent, and Social Security by 5 percent. These programs face a 75-year shortfall of $43 trillion--60 times greater than the gross cost of the $700 billion TARP financial bailout)). Time does not fix endless greed and energy depletion. When the public health is also one of commodity like a house, we come to a tragic and unthinkable conclusion : As to for-profit business, the more and longer ills patients get, the more profits they make, and it will debilitate the overall economy involving education for the future, not to mention continued bankruptcy of middle class. Of young adults ages 19 to 29, 13.2 million, or 29 percent, lacked coverage in 2007, and that implies the total of this promising reform will be cheaper than expected, I guess. In case of an unexpected injury or ill, they might give up their learning or aspiration, in this regard, this reform means liberty, job opportunity, competitiveness for them and future. When some part of our body is ailing seriously, we are going to lose competitiveness, equally, when some part of a nation is ailing servery, it is going to loose competitiveness, too.

Posted by west129 at 3:28 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

NO to health care reform! If you want the Canadian system are you willing to pay for it through a 48% income tax (Canadians pay that)? Have you ever listen to Ezekiel Emanuel? After researching the issue it is undeniable that Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, health adviser to President Barack Obama, proposes policies that were instituted in Germany during the Third Reich. He describes the reform as: "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality of care are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change." Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel true change involves the implementation of the "COMPLETE LIVES SYSTEM", a fancy term for providing services depending on the age of the recipient. The complete lives system “…prioritises younger people [28 years old] who have not yet lived a complete life and will be unlikely to do so without aid” while reducing by 20% the probability to receive services for those less than 5 and those more than 58 years old. In short, the unborn, the very young and the retired folks have plenty reasons to run scared of this type of health care legislation. It also seems to explain how those Medicaid-Medicare-savings (Obama has been talking about) will be realized: Cut services to our children and the retirees. If that's what you want then keep on listening to Obama's con game or send me more of the irrational talking points.

Posted by west129 at 3:21 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

NO to health care reform! If you want the Canadian system are you willing to pay for it through a 48% income tax? Have you ever listen to Ezekiel Emanuel? After researching the issue it is undeniable that Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, health adviser to President Barack Obama, proposes policies that were instituted in Germany during the Third Reich. He describes the reform as: "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality of care are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change." Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel true change involves the implementation of the "COMPLETE LIVES SYSTEM", a fancy term for providing services depending on the age of the recipient The complete lives system “…prioritises younger people [28 years old] who have not yet lived a complete life and will be unlikely to do so without aid” while reducing by 20% the probability to receive services for those less than 5 and those more than 58 years old. In short, the unborn, the very young and the retired folks have plenty reasons to run scared of this type of health care legislation. It also seems to explain how those Medicaid-Medicare-savings (Obama has been talking about) will be realized: Cut services to our children and the retirees.

Posted by Thomas Paine at 3:3 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

We need price competition and with "Health Insurance" Companies there is no "price" competition. In the equation Health Insurance + Price = No Price Competition. Take HI from the equation and you get true competition. Imagine telling a patient to fork over 100 grand for an operation and no one has HI than gradually the "FREE" market will adjust the price to reflect the real cost. And by a stroke of magic prices go down, down and down. The End Put the Government into the equation and you have disaster. See Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae and anything they run is wrought with fraud. Now since they can't fix a problem they make it go away until their is a Gargantua of Problem it is to late. Force Gov Healthcare is also UN-Constitutional.

Posted by sandra at 3:1 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

In my day at IU we referred to this rag as the "Daily Stupid". I daresay this is still its unofficial name....

Posted by Lester at 2:24 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

What do you know about VA and Medicare "Mr SmarternU?" I had a leg amputated in a war injury and have always had great care by the VA. My wife had cancer and received the best possible treament under the Medicare system which she paid into for 42 years. On the other hand, my sister was refused insurance by every company she applied because of "preexisting" conditions to when she lost her job. Who are you? Perhaps a shill for the insurance giants.

Posted by SmarternU at 2:14 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

My hat's off to you, Stephanie, for bucking the Gov educated moonies and speaking your mind.

Posted by Susan at 2:14 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

Please watch this video made by physicians and other healthcare specialists if you want the real facts about why reform is needed. It has little to do with the insurance companies need to avoid competition. www.ourailinghealthcare.com.

Posted by SmarternU at 2:10 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

OK, Bill. You know what you're talking about. Feds,Medicare, MILITARY getting the best health care. How in the F would you know? As a disabled vet, and a husband of a woman who works in health care, I can tell you that you have no clue what you are talking about. Gov officials have better health care than most of us of course (their children go to private schools too), but military med care (especially VA) is, at best, a very bad joke. And medicade/medicare? Just another rotten program looted by politicians and fraud. Health care reform is tort reform and immagration control. But all of you law students don't want to hear that, do ya now? Put the Kool-Aid down, slowly walk away...

Posted by Steve at 2:6 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

You are in deep trouble if you rely on anything that Sean Hannity has to say. He is the lap dog barking dog of the extreme right wing. His salary for spewing hate, fear, and lies is obscene. Words like "socialism," "fascism," and even "racism" are constantly employed by those who want to stifle any fact based debate. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use the same fear based tactics. It seems to be working.

Posted by Luke Gilmore at 1:52 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

The insurance companies are making record profits even in this recession. Their net income is up over 400% in the last eight years. It is ludicrous when they say that they can't "compete" with a public option. What they mean to say is that they can't gouge people if they have competition. As a war veteran, I get my care from the VA ( a government funded single payer system.) I am very satisfied. It costs much less than privately run systems, and is efficient. I just wish that every American could have the same care. Stop the lies and back our President.

Posted by keen at 1:46 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

http://incredimazing.com/page/Cost_of_Healthcare_Reform_vs_Unnecessary_War

Posted by Bill at 1:22 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

Sure, we've heard one Canadian who's upset about it. That's one of millions, though. Get a grip! The Feds, the military, the Medicare recipients are the only ones with great care, and it's paid for by our taxes, by the government, you knucklehead! Grow up.

Posted by Cocerned for all at 1:14 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

I find it a little disheartening that it takes a Democrat trying to help more Americans get quality healthcare for Americans to get upset. How dare we spend tax dollars on layed-off factory workers and struggling families when we could be invading another country or paying off more rich bankers. The senate and house bills for healthcare are flawed. They don't solve every problem we have. They might ignore poorly paid doctors and nurses, and will probably limit reimbursements. And in likelihood, large insurance carriers will still find ways to drop people when they get sick. But lets not make up facts to support the argument. Let's not make claims that some people don't want insurance even if they are eligible. Maybe the worker that chooses not to enroll with the employer, because he really needs the money. Maybe that money never ends up in his pocket, but he chooses to put it into the mortgage he is barely able to pay every month. Maybe he is using that huge monthly "bonus" to pay for groceries so his kids can eat or gas so he can actually get to work. Maybe those illegal immigrants are actually costing tax dollars, but we knew that. Its just now we would find a way to put that cost back on the books and get it out in the open. Maybe the argument shouldn't be made by rich Fox entertainers. Maybe the arguments shouldn't be made by writers and politicians who have never spent a day wanting for anything, who have had every bruise and scrape attended to by a nurse and a lollipop. Maybe we should stop screaming "socialist" and "NObamacare" and start discussing options like adults. But I do appreciate the citizens that are being a part of our democracy again. I certainly hope they stay active and call their congressmen for every bill.

Posted by LucyLou at 1:11 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

One thing is to offer a public option. Another thing is to say a public option is the same as nationalized health care. Those are not the same thing!!!! No one is trying to nationalize health care. England has nationalized health care. No one is proposing that we duplicate England's system. Offering a public health insurance option is not the same thing as nationalizing health care. Furthermore, offering a public health care option does not equate with socialism. To call everything socialism is not to engage in an intelligent debate. That is just labeling, name calling, done purely in order to avoid actual arguments.

Posted by Nina at 1:8 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

Have you done any research at all, or just listened to Sarah Palin? This is pure and utter bullshit from beginning to end.

Posted by Angelou at 12:54 AM on Aug 31, 2009 | Report this comment

Let me be the first to insult you. Idiot! stop with all the scare tactics, stop terrorizing our elderly with lies about death panels and how elderly people will be euthanized that is called POLITICAL TERRORISM. (if you support Republicans it you agree with it).


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